[bobef]

Earthlings

http://www.isawearthlings.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
http://veg-tv.info/Earthlings - download link

If you watch this movie MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO KIDS AROUND!

http://svn.dsource.org/projects/rulesplayer/downloads/Earthlings.en.srt - English subtitles
http://svn.dsource.org/projects/rulesplayer/downloads/Earthlings.bg.srt - Bulgarian subtitles

[JJR]

Why is this posted in the rulesPlayer forum? It has no relationship to the development of this project.

[JJR]

Obviously, I've got my years mixed up... I should have seen that this was a 2007 post... a whole year ago.

[Guillaume]

Simply because the author thinks you should see it. And hell, why not?

[JJR]

Because it has nothing to do with development of the project as I clearly stated in my post above...

If he wants to post something like this, that is fine... in his own web space which he may provide in his profile.

Otherwise, we might as well let anyone post their own special political, personal, or philosophical concerns here, and that could get bad fast. Surely you see the problem? I certainly have a truck load I could share too.

You may choose to get annoyed with me, but that does not achieve anything when it comes to solving practical issues of keeping this forum on target, which I really shouldn't have to do.

-JJR

[bobef]

This is kind narrow minded, I believe. So what about my avatar? Should it be the letter "D" with some ugly smile? And what about my signature - should it be "D is all that matters"? So what if I want to put my own avatar? So what about if I want to put my own signature? So what if I have opinion that I want to post? This project is a tool. A tools itself is useless. And this particular tool is motivated by movies like this. If it was not for these movies there would be no use of this player. And please don't object me here, because I created it and if you think different, project your views on your own player

Anyway. I don't want to change your mind. If you are going to tell me what I am supposed to post in my forum I will be more than happy to remove all my projects from dsource. And since you are moderator and "know" what is "right" it basically comes down to this - is the benefit of this project better for the community and stuff or are my opinions so bad that they could not be tolerated? Please don't reply. Either don't put censorship on my forum, or please, wipe out all my projects from dsource as soon as possible.

P.S. obviously this forum is far from political forum or something similar

[JJR]

Actually, it was you that was projecting your views here, bobef, not I. Please don't use the "narrow-minded" accusation... you could easily be accused of the same for rejecting my request. That gets kind of silly in short order.

You are the one that has made this forum political with this announcement as the very top post, and there is no need for this. You could easily do this on your own webpage. If I don't say anything here, your example will set a precident for everybody else here to do the same for their own pet peeves. And theirs may be in direct conflict with yours. Bobef, you've done this same thing before in other ways here and in the d newsgroup.

If you don't like what I say, I suggest you email brad and ask him to remove me from being admin here. I would willingly agree to that if doing so fixes the "problem" in your forum for you. Nor would I want to be admin here if an "everything goes" way of thinking is promoted... or if grandiose sentiments of being "openminded" are used as a very lame manipulative tactic to promote each ones own agenda.

Your post here is not appropriate advertisement. If you don't like these rules than you do with your projects as you please, but I ask you not to hold your users hostage with a "strings attached" mentality by force feeding such views as a condition of using your software. If you do so, do it on your webspace. This forum does not "belong" to you. It's yours to use as a courtesy. You show respect of that courtesy by not abusing it.

-JJR

[bobef]

Yeah, whatever man. I don't want to be rude or something. Nor I want to remove you from the administrators. But it is not like I am saying "If you install this software you agree to watch this movie". It is nothing like that. Of course I am projecting my views on the project. That's the point. They are inseparable part of it. It would be different project if different man was doing it. Anyway. It is your site, your rules, etc. If I don't comply I will remove my projects in the following days and (eventually) host them on my own space. Wish you luck.

[larsivi]

I think it is perfectly fine that bobef as project owner post suggested things to watch in the project's forum. After all, the project is about a movieplayer. The only problem that may be with these specific links, is that the suggested movie has political undertones and that should be avoided here.

[JJR]

Larsivi, it's much better and more considerate to avoid posting such things in a programming forum altogether; then there is no need to figure out whether it is fine or not, or to have long debates on this. People needn't even have suggestions for movies to watch... they very likely will have their own ideas on that already . bobef's post is not acceptable, not because the content of the posts is right or wrong, but because others will promote there own non-topical discussions which will insight philosophical debates that detract from the original intention of the forums. There isn't some sort of compromise when it comes to to keeping the forums on topic.

bobef, if this project is inextricably attached to your views, then I think you do need to reconsider having it hosted here.

Finally, this is not my site. I just help out with it in very small ways. Please understand that I'm quite serious when I ask you to talk to Brad about my admin status. If what I say is unfair, unsound, and narrow-minded, then it would be in your (and others) best interests to get me "demoted." (and there will be no hard feelings). But I do believe chaos will eventually ensue if this sort of posting activity is deemed acceptable, especially when it is completely unnecessary.

Larsivi, since you have voiced agreement with bobef, I suggest you do the same.

[larsivi]

JJR; I think you are handling your role as an admin at dsource perfectly well and think you should continue. However, as a fellow admin, I disagree with your view in this particular case. Since there atm are no written rules for how these forums should be used, I believe it is wrong to fault bobef (or indeed to ask him host his project elsewhere) for posting what he did here.

When that is said, it would indeed be useful to ask Brad what his opinion is.

[JJR]

[brad]

While I would rather not have posts like this on dsource.org, I don't have a problem with it in this case. It is political, but not unlawful. I'm likening this to a channel on a TV. You don't have to watch it if you don't want to.

However, it is a slippery slope. If, for example, JJR posted links to a movie that was pornographic in nature, viewed the Holocaust favorably, or exploited children in some way, would you object, bobef? Or, let's skip the specific example and just assume that bobef would be offended by *something* that someone might post here. Therefore, sensitivity to the fact that something you might post here could offend others would be appreciated.

Ideally, these things happen:

1. This forum is used for technical discussions of rulesPlayer and its development.

2. bobef and his excellent projects remain community members at dsource

3. JJR remains a dsource admin.

BA
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I really like the vest!

[bobef]

[JJR]

I've given up my admin privileges, so no worries.

-JJR